(11:48:55) photomatt: okay, going to flood to catch ryan up :)
(11:49:03) photomatt: did you guys see the mysql guy in #wordpress last night?
(11:49:03) photomatt: [11:32AM] photomatt: he suggested some really interesting improvements
(11:49:03) photomatt: [11:32AM] photomatt: in my tests it took the main post query from 0.12 to 0.05 
(11:49:07) photomatt: [11:32AM] photomatt: on average
(11:49:09) photomatt: [11:32AM] photomatt: http://p.defau.lt/?tiJutSuV86iBJfUPGq_h0g
(11:49:12) photomatt: [11:33AM] photomatt: http://p.defau.lt/?_hp_YagOMRNnFgeXdhpbpw
(11:49:14) photomatt: [11:33AM] photomatt: (the second is 4.1 only though)
(11:49:33) photomatt: rboren: if we could eliminate the DISTINCT and GROUP BY from post queries that don't need it
(11:49:43) photomatt: and add this suggested index
(11:49:53) photomatt: (he also suggested making post_type a shorter varchar, maybe 10-20)
(11:50:10) photomatt: well, try out the queries, it helps a lot
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(11:53:00) domas: hello! can I lurk here? :)
(11:53:17) photomatt: totally
(11:53:43) photomatt: domas is the fellow who suggested the changes I pasted above
(11:53:59) domas: did you collect ones that I pasted afterwards in channel? 
(11:54:16) photomatt: got two from p.defau.lt
(11:54:30) rboren: I'm making the following changes:
(11:54:31) rboren: http://p.defau.lt/?tiJutSuV86iBJfUPGq_h0g
(11:54:47) rboren: And shortening the varchars for post_type and post_status
(11:55:06) domas: category query is important too
(11:55:14) photomatt: domas: out of curiosity, why is the index in that order?
(11:55:24) photomatt: (post_status,post_type,post_date)
(11:55:31) domas: photomatt: it could be type,status,date 
(11:55:39) domas: status,type - for WHERE, date for ORDER BY
(11:56:31) domas: maybe you need to add ID there
(11:56:44) domas: at the end
(11:56:56) domas: (so you could GROUP BY date DESC, ID DESC
(11:57:12) domas: of course, if post_date was unique, you could just GROUP BY date
(11:57:21) domas: but you'd have to code according to that
(11:57:23) photomatt: mysql can only use one key per query?
(11:57:38) photomatt: post_date might not be unique
(11:57:48) domas: then append ID at the end.
(11:58:12) domas: photomatt: not really. mysql in 5.0 can do index merge for multiple keys, but it won't compile a composite key out of separate indexes
(11:58:19) domas: (and that would be painful operation anyway)
(11:58:30) photomatt: k
(11:58:56) domas: composite keys are used everywhere
(12:00:40) domas: these two queries:
(12:00:40) domas:                    66 Query     SELECT * FROM wp_categories WHERE cat_ID > 0 HAVING category_count > 0 ORDER BY cat_name asc
(12:00:40) domas:                    66 Query     SELECT * FROM wp_categories WHERE cat_ID > 0 HAVING link_count > 0 ORDER BY cat_name ASC
(12:00:55) domas: could possibly be rewritten into link_count>0 or category_count>0
(12:01:21) domas: this one:
(12:01:22) domas:                    66 Query     SELECT COUNT(DISTINCT ID) FROM wp_posts  WHERE 1=1 AND (post_type = 'post' AND (post_status = 'publish'))
(12:01:30) domas: can be eliminated too, of course :)
(12:02:09) domas: I didn't look yet at the object cache code
(12:02:31) photomatt: for post queries we also sometimes have "(post_author = 1 AND post_status = 'private'"
(12:02:38) photomatt: to get private posts for the current logged in user
(12:03:02) photomatt: but that might be a rare enough case that it doesn't need to be optimized for
(12:03:15) domas: *nod*
(12:03:18) domas: I'm looking at anon hits
(12:04:21) photomatt: but it might be easier just to create a separate section in the admin for private posts and leave them out of public listings all-together
(12:04:27) photomatt: it's a weird feature anyway
(12:04:57) domas: 'cron' and 'rewrite_rules' should go into autoload options :)
(12:05:22) domas: as for categories, this seems fun:
(12:05:23) domas:                    68 Query     SELECT * FROM wp_categories
(12:05:23) domas:                    68 Query     SELECT cat_ID FROM wp_categories
(12:06:07) domas: btw, for categories, this query is executed twice too:
(12:06:08) domas:                    68 Query     SELECT COUNT(DISTINCT ID) FROM wp_posts  LEFT JOIN wp_post2cat ON (wp_posts.ID = wp_post2cat.post_id)  WHERE 1=1 AND (category_id = 4) AND (post_type = 'post' AND (post_status = 'publish'))
(12:06:53) domas: it's fast enough and using the (`post_status`,`post_type`,`post_date`,`ID`) index, but still :)
(12:08:37) MarkJaquith: photomatt: New wp.org/support/ logins don't seem to be syncing with Trac... you aware?
(12:08:47) photomatt: yes
(12:09:01) photomatt: haven't been since the server move, I'm going to look at it ina bit
(12:09:02) MarkJaquith: Cool.  I figured it had something to do with the server move or something
(12:09:21) domas: for rss feeds:
(12:09:21) domas:                    70 Query     SELECT post_modified_gmt FROM wp_posts WHERE post_status = 'publish' ORDER BY post_modified_gmt DESC LIMIT 1
(12:09:21) domas:                    70 Query     SELECT post_date_gmt FROM wp_posts WHERE post_status = 'publish' ORDER BY post_date_gmt DESC LIMIT 1
(12:09:29) domas: both fields have no indexes.
(12:10:00) domas: so either these values have to be maintained somewhere else
(12:10:23) domas: on the second query you may just use post_date
(12:10:31) domas: instead of _gmt, as for ordering value should be the same
(12:11:03) MarkJaquith: there is an edge case where they aren't... not sure it matters
(12:11:22) domas: well, it's rss feed
(12:11:43) domas: on every hit to rss feed you order the column again and again.
(12:11:49) domas: it's optimized by mysql though
(12:11:57) domas: that is, only one row is used for a sort
(12:13:38) domas: woo, article view.
(12:14:18) domas: the index I created was used again for several queries
(12:15:28) MarkJaquith: what'd you index?
(12:15:29) domas: comments:
(12:15:51) domas: MarkJaquith: on posts: type,status,date,id
(12:16:10) domas: now comments ask for this index: postid,approved,date
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(12:19:37) domas: with this index comments would not be sorted :)
(12:19:46) domas: filesorted, just an index range scan
(12:20:17) domas: it picks comments_aproved index
(12:20:28) domas: I provided a hint to ignore it
(12:21:19) domas: http://p.defau.lt/?DRnl1EN_6SB7UhBfgzLdrw
(12:21:56) domas: the /*!4000.. specifies that the ignore index clause should be used on 4.0 or newer
(12:22:04) domas: I don't remember if 3.23 actually supported IGNORE INDEX :)
(12:22:20) photomatt: wow, you weren't kidding about the mysqlisms ;)
(12:22:46) domas: well, /* is official SQL comment
(12:22:56) domas: so, on any other platform it would not be executed
(12:23:01) domas: oracle uses /*+blahblah
(12:23:48) photomatt: got it
(12:24:11) domas: anyway, on proper deployments you don't need this hint
(12:24:22) domas: it's just my test dataset of single article provides skewed view to optimizer
(12:24:37) domas: not much of optimizations can be done with single row, can it? :)
(12:25:10) MarkJaquith: heh... at least not any that'll add up to what you can do while optimizing one of the posts/category queries
(12:25:41) domas: hehe
(12:25:51) rboren: FYI: http://trac.wordpress.org/ticket/2604
(12:26:01) domas: well, I did that analysis post on my real dataset
(12:26:08) domas: which at least has >20 posts and >20 comments, ha ha ha
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(12:27:17) MarkJaquith: domas: running 1.5.2, right?
(12:27:49) domas: MarkJaquith: yessir
(12:28:05) MarkJaquith: (just reading your blog post now)
(12:28:39) domas: hehe, sorry for sarcasm, it wasn't directed towards any of you, just for general problem of not dealing with performance
(12:29:07) domas: I'm doing performance engineering for opensource project, so every time I have to LART people about various issues
(12:29:08) MarkJaquith: DISTINCT needs to go away for single-table post queries for sure
(12:29:22) domas: MarkJaquith: for multiple-table you'd be better using proper GROUP BY
(12:30:13) domas: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=18182 <--- this one if fixed would improve your category query performance even more :)
(12:30:37) MarkJaquith: "I’d really like if it just used "publish" status for front page and would not care about anything else. "   Good news... that's what's happening for 2.1
(12:31:14) domas: hehe, I just looked at our bugs system
(12:31:23) domas: I've opened 6 bugs with words 'index' in description :)
(12:31:26) domas: *word
(12:31:58) MarkJaquith: The hidden benefit there is that you can now cache the queries, because you don't have that dynamic timestamp variable in each query
(12:32:13) ***domas enjoys the fading yellow
(12:33:24) domas: caching is nice for small sites enjoying lots of reads and no writes
(12:33:37) domas: none of sites I work with or clients of mine have such situations :)
(12:33:45) photomatt: that's the bulk of WP installations
(12:33:58) photomatt: if you think we have perf problems now, you should have seen 0.72
(12:34:00) photomatt: :)
(12:34:31) rboren: Not many people were around to witness 0.72 perf problems. :-)
(12:34:43) photomatt: I remember doing a profile and finding 60% of our time being spent on convert_char or something like that
(12:34:44) domas: haha, I'm fascinated enough to remember mediawiki 1.3/1.4 ;-)
(12:35:03) photomatt: which was individually looping over EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER in every post
(12:35:04) domas: photomatt: well, an example of badly optimized situation was
(12:35:23) domas: when for interwiki prefixes, for every link there was a hit to our memcached cluster
(12:35:31) ***MarkJaquith is so glad he only got involved with WordPress right before 1.2 release
(12:35:34) domas: and it takes ~2ms each
(12:36:08) domas: so it used to spend 50ms or more on fetching absolutely static data
(12:36:27) domas: and the interesting part, why it was not noticed
(12:36:40) domas: it always was hidden beneath other tasks that appeared 'long' in profiling trees
(12:36:52) domas: only proper kcachegrind analysis allowed to track such issues
(12:37:12) domas: moral of the story: do not assume the task is slow until you know what is slow in it.
(12:37:50) ***ringmaster re-reads the story of MediaWiki innards and impales himself on a fork.
(12:37:50) photomatt: what's kcachegrind?
(12:38:17) domas: ringmaster: which story?
(12:38:26) ringmaster: The one you just told.  :)
(12:38:51) domas: photomatt: http://dammit.lt/2006/01/18/mediawiki-graphic-profile/
(12:39:03) domas: photomatt: one (two actually) pictures are better than thousand words.
(12:39:05) MarkJaquith: domas: in 2.x, WP now stores comment_count in the posts table, as you suggested (still reading!)
(12:39:16) photomatt: that's purty
(12:39:36) domas: photomatt: I was working on cpu profiling instead of real time profiling
(12:39:42) domas: but ditched that for a while
(12:39:45) domas: may resume the effort some day
(12:45:49) domas: hehe, wanna see a pic of wordpress kcachegrind graph? :)
(12:46:01) photomatt: sounds perfect, I'll definitely try to make it
(12:46:40) ***MarkJaquith puts his money down on smiley regexes
(12:46:44) MarkJaquith: (kidding)
(12:46:55) domas: haha, someone asked for that
(12:46:59) domas: in mediawiki
(12:47:41) photomatt: sure
(12:48:15) domas: I hate such features :)
(12:48:18) domas: pain to maintain
(12:48:22) domas: breaks other syntax
(12:48:25) domas: performance hog
(12:49:07) MarkJaquith: 1) wait 2) wait 3) wait 4) wait 5) wait 6) wait 7) almost there 8) SUNGLASSES!
(12:50:09) photomatt: ha!
(12:50:15) photomatt: LOL
(12:51:38) domas: ;-D
(12:52:49) MarkJaquith: error_bot: google wordpress smilies
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(12:53:16) MarkJaquith: (that first result would be mine, domas)
(12:55:49) photomatt: domas: would love to see kcachegrind output for WP
(12:56:43) domas: photomatt: hehe
(12:56:47) domas: --->  Fetching graphviz
(12:56:48) domas: --->  Attempting to fetch graphviz-2.6.tar.gz from http://www.graphviz.org/pub/graphviz/ARCHIVE/
(12:56:52) domas: forgot to install some deps before
(12:56:55) domas: on this machine
(12:57:18) domas: well, I don't have enough data
(12:57:23) domas: so the results would be... skewed again :)
(12:57:33) domas: oh, downloaded
(12:57:52) domas: this LCD compiles things really fast :)
(13:00:11) photomatt: oh that's right you still need the dump file
(13:00:23) photomatt: rboren: do you still have that giant MT dump I sent you? I can't find it
(13:00:34) rboren: Lemme look...
(13:03:54) rboren: Found it.
(13:04:02) rboren: I'll upload it somewhere...
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(13:05:41) domas: compress it too, thanks!
(13:11:30) domas: damn, it got mad with wp profile
(13:12:12) domas: there's some code that is executed directly via require_once() instead of calling as functions
(13:12:40) photomatt: ?
(13:15:09) domas: well, the most expensive functions are require_once
(13:15:12) domas: and require
(13:15:35) domas: instead of loading file with functions and calling them, you execute it directly
(13:15:49) domas: so there's no difference between actually loading file and executing code
(13:15:50) domas: in the profile
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(13:16:05) photomatt: huh
(13:16:25) photomatt: well because of the amount of code, we've always suspected that the biggest overhead was simply parsing it all
(13:16:31) domas: not really
(13:16:33) photomatt: which is why an opcode cache helps so much
(13:16:53) domas: but yeah, opcode helps
(13:17:56) domas: it spent 5% of real time on mysql ;-D
(13:18:44) domas: eh, I can't provide you with a nice graph, just several small ones probably
(13:19:57) photomatt: too much junk?
(13:20:36) domas: ah, or doesn't show too much
(13:20:40) domas: it's much better if interactive
(13:20:49) domas: for analysis of details
(13:21:23) domas: and maybe xdebug acting funny on this box :(
(13:21:31) domas: ok, I'll do one export
(13:23:27) domas: http://dammit.lt/wordpress-kcg.png
(13:24:08) domas: most of code is hidden in require or require_once calls
(13:24:10) domas: :(
(13:24:57) photomatt: weird
(13:25:05) photomatt: I'm not sure what we're doing that would make it appear so weird
(13:25:32) masquerade: Anyone have Zend Studio's Debug Server setup? Its profiling might help out in this case
(13:25:50) photomatt: lots of time in load_template, it looks like
(13:26:09) MarkJaquith: lot of file_exists calls eh?
(13:26:44) domas: you should really move away execution from script loading
(13:27:03) photomatt: I still don't understand exactly what you mean by that
(13:27:09) domas: require();require(); dothis(); dothat();
(13:27:21) photomatt: oh I see
(13:27:29) photomatt: so the action is happening inside the requires
(13:27:34) ringmaster: As opposed to require(<? dothis());require(<? dothat());
(13:28:03) domas: well, not really
(13:28:11) photomatt: I think he means that a file includes another file which has the executing code in it
(13:28:11) domas: the problem is require(code;code;no;functions)
(13:28:28) domas: e.g. wp-settings
(13:28:28) photomatt: so we don't execute anything inside of index.php, for example
(13:28:43) domas: has lots of code but 3 tiny functions
(13:29:19) photomatt: nothing executes from wp-includes, I think
(13:29:23) photomatt: but other files do
(13:29:47) photomatt: I take that back, nothing in functions.php, template* executes any code, just loads it
(13:30:13) masquerade: I fail to see how any of that is or could be a performance trap, though
(13:30:42) domas: not much of performance trap
(13:30:45) MarkJaquith: masquerade: it's just a performance mask... with this tool.
(13:30:49) domas: it just obstructs clear view of what is happening where
(13:31:20) domas: anyway, branches can still be analyzed
(13:31:21) masquerade: try APD
(13:31:33) domas: masquerade: it won't give you graphic profile :)
(13:31:46) domas: you should _try_ kcachegrind :)
(13:31:53) masquerade: I'd rather have the text than that mess any day, for PHP
(13:32:49) domas: ah: http://flake.defau.lt/pics/mediawiki.png 
(13:32:54) domas: this is how it usually outputs stuff
(13:33:16) domas: (that picture details the situation I talked about here ;-)
(13:33:49) domas: masquerade: the nice thing about that is 'where is this method called, what is called by it, how much time was spent in multiple places, etc'
(13:35:34) domas: e.g. this is all database activity profiled: http://dammit.lt/wordpress-kcg-sql.png
(13:35:52) domas: (on an empty db though, I'll try importing a dump soon)
(13:36:50) MarkJaquith: photomatt: the load_template just does require_once... so that's misleading.
(13:37:44) masquerade: I'm spoiled by Zend Studio's profiler
(13:37:46) photomatt: yep
(13:37:57) photomatt: masquerade: andy has been using that
(13:38:19) masquerade: I'd pick it any day over callgrind/kcachegrind style dumps for PHP source
(13:38:42) masquerade: (Although I do understand the value of callgrind, its invaluable when working with C)
(13:47:34) domas: anyway, I'm not selling anything here, hehehe
(13:49:27) domas: ok, with more data
(13:49:47) domas: http://p.defau.lt/?GyzOyrdWQ1eScjMefMXOoQ
(13:49:55) domas: this may be probably loaded linked to posts read
(13:49:57) domas: joined 
(13:51:59) MarkJaquith: Wait, it did that all in one load?
(13:52:19) domas: yes
(13:52:27) domas: for anon
(13:53:00) MarkJaquith: You have the object cache disabled, or is wp-content not server writable?
(13:53:07) masquerade: MarkJaquith, he's on 1.5
(13:53:20) masquerade: (or according to the blog post, not 2.0 at least)
(13:53:25) domas: masquerade: 2.1-alpha
(13:53:25) MarkJaquith: masquerade: wp_usermeta
(13:53:38) masquerade: ahh, I walked in halfway through all this, excuse me
(13:53:39) domas: MarkJaquith: I guess it's object cache disabled
(13:54:00) domas: MarkJaquith: it's "default install"
(13:54:02) domas: of 2.1 alpha
(13:54:07) domas: and wp-content is writable
(13:54:10) domas: ok, I'll enable it
(13:54:43) MarkJaquith: domas: ah yeah, it is disabled by default in 2.1 
(13:55:11) MarkJaquith: so you have posts by each of these authors on the loaded page, right?
(13:55:20) domas: yes
(13:55:41) ***domas notices cache on filesystem sucks if NFS is used ;-)
(13:56:08) MarkJaquith: So it should be grabbing the user IDs from the posts query and doing one query with ID IN (1,2,3,4,5) eh?
(13:56:11) domas: but I guess people are already sane at these times
(13:56:24) domas: MarkJaquith: you can just join user directly to posts.
(13:56:36) domas: SELECT * from wp_posts join wp_users ON (..
(13:56:41) domas: well, * is evil
(13:56:42) domas: but anyway
(13:57:24) MarkJaquith: hm, only problem with that is that multiple post queries would do possibly redundant user joins
(13:58:04) domas: that's why you'd avoid multiple post queries :)
(13:58:27) MarkJaquith: well yes, not in the default template
(13:59:26) domas: on the other hand
(13:59:28) domas: it's much cheaper
(13:59:45) domas: than having multiple queries, ipc, ..
(14:00:14) domas: I voted for GROUP_CONCAT() for categories too, but this bastard is in mysql 4.1 and later only
(14:00:14) masquerade: heh, just about every other theme and plugin on the planet uses query_posts() for a second post query, so I'm not really sure avoiding multiple post queries is an option
(14:00:30) domas: masquerade: but you should not care about join price in this case.
(14:00:34) domas: a join is done on an index
(14:00:36) domas: and on hot data
(14:00:39) domas: it's _cheap_
(14:00:47) domas: whatever people tell to you otherwise, don't listen.
(14:01:05) MarkJaquith: heh, I expect you know what you're talking about here
(14:01:36) domas: well, when you see a join of 50 tables
(14:01:43) domas: then you think about better in-db optimization techniques
(14:01:47) domas: rather than splitting it 
(14:01:51) domas: :)
(14:02:30) MarkJaquith: this would be a massive code change.
(14:02:30) photomatt: domas: hot data?
(14:02:43) domas: photomatt: it's in RAM
(14:02:58) domas: photomatt: you've read it miliseconds ago, it's in RAM! :)
(14:03:03) domas: ergh, nanoseconds even
(14:04:29) domas: heh, kubrick fetches are annoying
(14:05:14) domas: http://p.defau.lt/?6kSNMyxeSoWHy6ute45mow
(14:05:38) MarkJaquith: domas: I filed a bug for that
(14:05:42) photomatt: we don't cache "cache misses"
(14:05:50) photomatt: right now
(14:06:11) domas: well, my original issue about rss feed inside options table still matters :)
(14:06:21) domas: photomatt: it should be autoloaded
(14:06:22) MarkJaquith: yeah, why are those autoloaded?
(14:06:34) photomatt: the options don't exist
(14:06:35) MarkJaquith: domas: er, should be?
(14:07:00) domas: ah, right
(14:07:05) domas: get it :)
(14:07:10) photomatt: the RSS cache in the DB is a poor man's cache, writing to the filesystem is a real pain in the enviroments we run in
(14:07:24) domas: photomatt: use other DB for that
(14:07:28) domas: pew
(14:07:29) domas: table.
(14:07:30) photomatt: and loading the remote RSS all the time is not nice and slow
(14:07:44) photomatt: why?
(14:07:57) photomatt: more data in the options table doesn't slow it down, does it?
(14:08:31) domas: well, optimizer sees 70 rows
(14:08:40) domas: and notices that most of them are autoloaded
(14:08:47) domas: so it doesn't even pick autoload index
(14:09:02) domas: but there's _one_ row that weights 100x more than all other rows combined
(14:09:23) domas: of course, it's negligible data amount ;-)
(14:09:25) MarkJaquith: there will still be autoload = no rows even if RSS cache was moved
(14:09:37) domas: MarkJaquith: those would not weight 100k
(14:09:57) MarkJaquith: hrm, so it's the size of it that matters?
(14:09:58) domas: I'm a bit anal here about that, maybe I shouldn't stress it too much
(14:10:17) domas: I usually explain this situation as 'the elephant among the ants'
(14:10:50) domas: you just can't apply neither elephant rules to all environment, nor ant rules
(14:10:51) MarkJaquith: Heh.  Well, I'll say this... SELECT * FROM wp_options; is hell from the command line because of those feeds ;-)
(14:11:02) domas: MarkJaquith: too.
(14:11:03) masquerade: just wait until you see the amount of data plugins could and do store ;-)
(14:11:13) domas: haha, lol
(14:11:14) domas: screw plugins
(14:11:47) mdawaffe|lunch is now known as mdawaffe
(14:11:57) domas: soo... 
(14:11:57) domas: SELECT DISTINCT YEAR(post_date) AS `year`, MONTH(post_date) AS `month`, count(ID) as posts FROM wp_posts WHERE post_type = 'post' AND post_status = 'publish' GROUP BY YEAR(post_date), MONTH(post_date) ORDER BY post_date DESC
(14:11:59) domas: this one
(14:12:00) mdawaffe: MarkJaquith: did you get a chance to look at 2561?
(14:12:02) domas: is the one I hate most actually
(14:12:06) MarkJaquith: mdawaffe: not yet
(14:12:11) mdawaffe: no worries
(14:12:11) photomatt: haha me too
(14:12:45) domas: use per-month cache in a table. :)
(14:13:04) domas: publish an article - increase. delete an article - decrease. \o/
(14:15:00) domas: oh wait, query cache :)
(14:16:00) MarkJaquith: Here's that non-existent option bug report: http://trac.wordpress.org/ticket/2268
(14:16:18) domas: as the timestamp is not put into queries, it's much more efficient with query cache of course ;-)
(14:16:32) domas: hehe, wanna add one more mysqlism? :)
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(14:17:11) MarkJaquith: go for it
(14:17:16) domas: SELECT /*! 40000 SQL_CACHE */  ...
(14:17:17) domas: ;-)
(14:17:29) domas: for queries you really want to cache.
(14:18:04) domas: there's a setting for mysqld, which caches only queries with such tags.
(14:18:34) domas: so, it'd cache in such cases :)
(14:20:36) MarkJaquith: Would require people to have an appropriate setup though
(14:20:41) domas: yes
(14:21:03) domas: minor issue anyway :)