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Opened 10 years ago

Closed 10 years ago

Last modified 10 years ago

#15582 closed defect (bug) (fixed)

"Format: Default" provides no info, and default might change

Reported by: lloydbudd Owned by:
Milestone: 3.1 Priority: lowest
Severity: trivial Version: 3.1
Component: Template Keywords: ux-feedback
Focuses: Cc:

Description (last modified by lloydbudd)

"Format: Default" provides little info, and a site might want to change which is the default.

Some discussion: http://wpdevel.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/post-formats-in-core/#comment-12462

Possible solutions

"Format: Blog Post"

"Format: Article"

ENV

WP trunk r16590 (3.1-beta1-16590)

Additional Details

Post Formats are a blesed task, #14746.

"Default" also has some of the same characters as "Draft".

Change History (25)

#1 @lloydbudd
10 years ago

  • Description modified (diff)

#2 follow-up: @nacin
10 years ago

  • Keywords ux-feedback added
  • Owner ui-feedback deleted
  • Status changed from new to assigned

It's not supposed to be a default that changes.

I'd almost rather go with "Format: None" if anything.

#3 in reply to: ↑ 2 ; follow-up: @lloydbudd
10 years ago

Replying to nacin:

It's not supposed to be a default that changes.

Not the Default that changes, but the default selected that changes. ie. on a status site, I'd always want the default selected to be Aside.

I'd almost rather go with "Format: None" if anything.

I'm not sure that is better because that begs everyone to look at what else is in the drop down, and again each time they forget what Default or None means.

#4 @lloydbudd
10 years ago

  • Component changed from Post Types to Template

#5 in reply to: ↑ 3 ; follow-up: @markmcwilliams
10 years ago

Replying to lloydbudd:

Not the Default that changes, but the default selected that changes. ie. on a status site, I'd always want the default selected to be Aside.

On a related sidenote, can you actually specify a 'default' to be used?

#6 follow-ups: @westi
10 years ago

  • Cc westi added

Format: None is probably better here as that is what we mean.

#7 in reply to: ↑ 6 @lloydbudd
10 years ago

Replying to westi:

Format: None is probably better here as that is what we mean.

Is it what we mean? The formatting is defined by the theme's templates, just like before when there were no other options.

Besides, users won't get what we mean, and it would becomes confusing on a theme that is coded around another template.

The format is "Blog post".

#8 in reply to: ↑ 6 @lloydbudd
10 years ago

Replying to westi:

Format: None is probably better here as that is what we mean.

If we are going to display something it should be rich info, not the safest path.

#9 in reply to: ↑ 5 ; follow-up: @lloydbudd
10 years ago

Replying to markmcwilliams:

On a related sidenote, can you actually specify a 'default' to be used?

If that can't be defined in the theme, then it should be trac'd and that enhancement added.

#10 in reply to: ↑ 9 ; follow-up: @lloydbudd
10 years ago

Replying to lloydbudd:

Replying to markmcwilliams:

On a related sidenote, can you actually specify a 'default' to be used?

If that can't be defined in the theme, then it should be trac'd and that enhancement added.

Actually, maybe that helps reveal a more optimal solution.

"Format: Blog Post" is the name of "none" unless programmatically set up in the theme to use a default selected of "Format: Themed" ("none" behind the scenes), in which case they could also explicitly create a "Format: Blog Post" if a relevant alternate relevant for the site.

#11 in reply to: ↑ 10 @lloydbudd
10 years ago

Replying to lloydbudd:

"Format: Blog Post" is the name of "none" unless programmatically set up in the theme to use a default selected of "Format: Themed" ("none" behind the scenes), in which case they could also explicitly create a "Format: Blog Post" if a relevant alternate relevant for the site.

To put it more clearly, and correct my previous thought.

A theme can change the default selected format to be any one of the standard types, and if not one of the standards then this would be the only non-standard formatting, "Format: Themed". "None" will still be "Format: Blog Post" which a theme can include in the list or hide like the other standard formats.

I think that something like that would be a good balance.

#12 @nacin
10 years ago

  • Priority changed from low to lowest
  • Severity changed from minor to trivial

Non-standard post formats are not supported.

I don't see a strong use case for there to be a way to set a particular post format as the new default selection. That can be handled if a theme wishes to provide its own UI. It could be also handled when the auto-draft is triggered, so it's rather trivial to do in a plugin.

"Format: blog post" is wrong. These are all blog posts. We're just evaluating the different type of post. "Format: none" or "Format: default."

#13 @lloydbudd
10 years ago

There must be a Design Commandment that reads, "Thou shall not put none or default in the UI."

#14 follow-up: @Otto42
10 years ago

Tumblr uses "Text" as their default. Kinda fits.

#15 @JohnONolan
10 years ago

I agree with Otto - "none" is definitely the most confusing option, can't expect users to understand that. "Text" makes sense seeing as post formats are all about content types - and the default content type is indeed text.

#16 @michaelh
10 years ago

Can it be more than one word?

Examples:

  • Not assigned
  • No designation
  • Empty
  • No format specified

#17 @JohnONolan
10 years ago

Those are all just the same as "none" - they don't have any greater or lesser meaning.

#18 in reply to: ↑ 14 @GamajoTech
10 years ago

  • Cc gary@… added

Replying to Otto42:

Tumblr uses "Text" as their default. Kinda fits.

Except Aside and Status are also a textual content type.

How about Format: General / General Post?

#19 @jane
10 years ago

Basic or Basic Post would be my choice. Also need to move out of pub box and into a meta box with radio buttons.

#20 @ryan
10 years ago

Whatever is picked should never, ever make it to the DB. We don't want to clutter the DB with something that is totally unnecessary and meaningless. The absence of a format in the DB means "Default, None, Basic" whatever.

#21 @markjaquith
10 years ago

The core team conferred and we considered about a dozen alternatives. We settled on "Standard." It implies that it is the familiar option that people have been used to before 3.0, but it doesn't imply "defaultness." That is, you could default to "Aside" and it would make sense to offer "Standard" as an option.

This has the potential to turn into a bikeshed. Resist! :-)

#22 @markjaquith
10 years ago

  • Resolution set to fixed
  • Status changed from assigned to closed

In [16679] The name of the standard post format is now "Standard" (might offer ability to change default). fixes #15582

#23 @markjaquith
10 years ago

(In [16682]) Missed a s/default/standard/ in [16679]. props PeteMall. see #15582.

#24 @markjaquith
10 years ago

(In [16683]) Argh. Missed another s/default/standard/ in [16679]. Any others? see #15582.

#25 @markjaquith
10 years ago

(In [16693]) Another s/default/standard/. see #15582

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