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Opened 3 years ago

Closed 3 years ago

#17440 closed defect (bug) (fixed)

Firefox 3.6.17 reported out of date but it isn't

Reported by: hakre Owned by: nacin
Milestone: 3.2 Priority: normal
Severity: normal Version: 3.2
Component: Administration Keywords:
Focuses: Cc:

Description

Firefox 3.6.17 is not end of life. There are still security and such updates being provided for it.

But you report it isn't.

Note: Firefox 4 is yet not still available for all languages.

Version: Current HEAD of trunk.

Change History (13)

comment:1 hakre3 years ago

Related: #17323

comment:2 follow-up: duck_3 years ago

I think this is debatable. 3.6.17 is 'out of date' in the sense that it doesn't provide the new features of Firefox 4 (performance, more HTML5 support, etc.). The nag isn't suggesting that it's insecure.

comment:3 follow-up: hakre3 years ago

For References:

Listing of Firefox Versions, some Languages still report 3.6.17

And then there is this message:

Firefox 3.6.x will be maintained with security and stability updates for a short amount of time. All users are strongly encouraged to upgrade to Firefox 4.

Statement on Mozilla Website

comment:4 in reply to: ↑ 2 hakre3 years ago

Replying to duck_:

I think this is debatable. 3.6.17 is 'out of date' in the sense that it doesn't provide the new features of Firefox 4 (performance, more HTML5 support, etc.). The nag isn't suggesting that it's insecure.

Sure it's debateable. The latest features are available in the beta builds btw. However users with some languages will see this message for example and can not upgrade even if they want to. That's merely the point I wanted to made aware. It's not that I'm personally affected by this, I've just seen it on a 3.6.17 test system and thought it's worth to report as that is not "such an old browser" like IE6.

Last edited 3 years ago by hakre (previous) (diff)

comment:5 dd323 years ago

Listing of Firefox Versions, some Languages still report 3.6.17

A Browser not being available in a language to me doesnt mean it's not out of date (age & upgradability wise).

If it's not a current version, Browse Happy is suggesting upgrading to a more recent browser, If Firefox isn't available in their language, Maybe IE9 is, etc.

It's not designed as a "Hey, Go upgrade your browser fool!" it's more of a "Hey, We're using functionalities which only Modern browsers support, Since you're not using a modern rendering engine, you might be missing out!"

comment:6 in reply to: ↑ 3 aaroncampbell3 years ago

Replying to hakre:

Firefox 3.6.x will be maintained with security and stability updates for a short amount of time. All users are strongly encouraged to upgrade to Firefox 4.

I feel like we're recommending exactly what Mozilla. We're saying "All users are strongly encouraged to upgrade to Firefox 4."

comment:7 follow-up: wlindley3 years ago

Users of Ubuntu 11.04, just for example, will not get Firefox 4 as part of their Update. Ubuntu tells them they are running the latest version of that generation of Firefox.

I support dozens of users running Windows, and those systems are carefully administered, on stable software -- some by me, some by others.

For WordPress to step in like a nanny and admonish users there is something wrong with their computer, when I or other administrators are deliberately NOT playing the daily-browser-upgrade treadmill, makes everyone look bad and does NOT solve any problem.

This "feature" puts a burden not on the users but on the site administrators, who will have to answer hundreds of messages, "What's wrong with your site? What's wrong with my computer? Do I have a virus? I'm scared!"

Please at least give administrators a way to disable this "feature."

Last edited 3 years ago by wlindley (previous) (diff)

comment:8 in reply to: ↑ 7 sorich873 years ago

Replying to wlindley:

Users of Ubuntu 11.04, just for example, will not get Firefox 4 as part of their Update. Ubuntu tells them they are running the latest version of that generation of Firefox.

I am using Ubuntu 11.04 and Firefox 4 was automatically installed by the Update Manager.

Please at least give administrators a way to disable this "feature."

You can use remove_meta_box( 'dashboard_browser_nag', 'dashboard', 'core' ); to remove the dashboard widget.

comment:9 aaroncampbell3 years ago

I was going to say exactly what sorich did. I have Ubuntu and FF 4 (it was automatic, I didn't do anything special) and you *can* remove the metabox.

You could hook into wp_dashboard_setup for regular users, wp_user_dashboard_setup for admins, and wp_network_dashboard_setup for network admins to remove the metabox.

comment:10 nacin3 years ago

  • Milestone Awaiting Review deleted
  • Resolution set to wontfix
  • Status changed from new to closed

If you're running an outdated version, that's something wrong with your computer.

The "daily-browser-upgrade" game is not a game, nor is it daily. Chrome -- which updates automatically -- has a new major version every 6 weeks. The other browsers are not so fast.

If we need to adjust for platform-specific versions, that's fine. But as far as I know, every major browser currently updates to new version numbers across all of their platforms at once these days.

3.6.17 is out of date, period. "Out of date" does not equal "EOL" or "insecure." It means there's a new major version that supports better web standards, more of HTML5/CSS3, is faster, and more stable.

Closing as WONTFIX.

comment:11 jane3 years ago

  • Milestone set to 3.2
  • Resolution wontfix deleted
  • Status changed from closed to reopened

This ticket got closed without noticing the language in the actual nag message for ff 3.6.x
"It looks like you're using an old version of Firefox. Using an outdated browser makes your computer unsafe. For the best WordPress experience, please update your browser."

I think it's worth revisiting that language, which is counter to the arguments in this ticket that the nag is focused on promoting features, not scaring users. This is an unnecessarily scary message for one rev back on ff.

comment:12 nacin3 years ago

Second sentence should be removed.

comment:13 nacin3 years ago

  • Owner set to nacin
  • Resolution set to fixed
  • Status changed from reopened to closed

In [18294]:

Only warn about 'unsafe' for IE6/7. props jane, fixes #17440.

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