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Opened 7 years ago

Closed 6 years ago

#3695 closed defect (bug) (fixed)

Inconsistent naming for Links

Reported by: karmadude Owned by: matt
Milestone: 2.5 Priority: normal
Severity: normal Version: 2.1
Component: General Keywords: 2nd-opinion
Focuses: Cc:

Description (last modified by rob1n)

There seems to be inconsistent naming when it comes to links. Some places it's links, other places blogroll and now now bookmarks. Could all this be consolidated into either links or bookmarks to avoid all the confusion.

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bookmark.diff (7.6 KB) - added by Otto42 7 years ago.
Bookmark renaming/menu reordering patch

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Change History (24)

comment:1 foolswisdom7 years ago

  • Milestone changed from 2.1.1 to 2.3

Please explain where the various terms are used and what makes it confusing or incorrect.

comment:2 markjaquith7 years ago

I'm +1 for "Bookmarks" for the following reasons:

  • Not all lists of links are "Blogrolls"
  • "Blogroll" is a term that has no real-life connotation
  • "Blogroll" is a trendy term that very well may be transient
  • "Bookmarks" is used in the back end (WP functions)

comment:3 ryan7 years ago

I like bookmarks too, but we've been bouncing back and forth and I'm just going to sit this round out. :-)

comment:4 foolswisdom7 years ago

markjaquith, sneaky sneaky, you seem to be changing the topic of this ticket ;_) If I understand correctly, karamdude's initial report is that in some places it is not consistent.

karamadude, JeremyVisser found one in #3718, are there others?

comment:5 markjaquith7 years ago

Well, you can't solve inconsistency without choosing which consistency you want. :-)

comment:6 johnbillion7 years ago

I vote for reverting to "links" and using the term consistently as it's unarguably the most descriptive and simplist term. "Blogroll" is an atrocious term and whoever decided to use it should be shot at dawn.

I'm not sure about "bookmarks". The links on your blog aren't really bookmarks are they? They're, um, links.

comment:7 Otto427 years ago

My 2 cents:

The Blogroll link should be named "Bookmarks", and most of it should be moved to somewhere under "Manage" like the posts and such are. Everywhere that references "Links" on these pages should be changed to "Bookmarks". The term "Links" causes confusion among many people to whom "links" are any sort of a href inside a post or elsewhere.

So, I say that we should:

  • Move Blogroll->Manage Blogroll to Manage->Bookmarks.
  • Move Blogroll->Import Links to Manage->Import Bookmarks.
  • Eliminate Blogroll->Add Links entirely (there's an "Add links" link on the Manage Blogroll page already, although it should have a more obvious placement)
  • Modify both of the new Manage pages to call them Bookmarks.

Otto427 years ago

Bookmark renaming/menu reordering patch

comment:8 Otto427 years ago

There's a patch to do what I described above. Most of it, anyway, I may have missed a few spots.

comment:9 Otto427 years ago

  • Milestone changed from 2.3 to 2.2
  • Priority changed from low to normal

comment:10 Otto427 years ago

  • Keywords has-patch added

comment:11 foolswisdom7 years ago

  • Milestone changed from 2.2 to 2.4

comment:12 rob1n7 years ago

  • Description modified (diff)

comment:13 rob1n7 years ago

  • Milestone changed from 2.4 to 2.3
  • Owner changed from anonymous to rob1n
  • Status changed from new to assigned

I want to push for "Bookmarks."

comment:14 rob1n7 years ago

  • Keywords 2nd-opinion added; links blogroll bookmarks has-patch removed

Actually, "Links."

comment:15 Otto427 years ago

"Links" = Bad.
"Bookmarks" = Good.

If I say I posted a "link", did I post a link to the bookmarks section, or did I just stick an anchor tag inside a post? If somebody tells me that they can't post a link, what am I to think?

Using "Links" adds more confusion.
Using "Bookmarks" eliminates confusion.

comment:16 follow-up: johnbillion7 years ago

I have no preference on this subject but I think "Links" is by far the most universally understood description for, well, links. They are hyperlinks after all.

Otto42, if someone was to instead ask you how they add a link to their blog, you'd have to tell them to click on "Bookmarks" because that's what they're called in WordPress. If, however, someone is used to calling links "Bookmarks" then they'll know what tab they have to click on anyway.

comment:17 rob1n7 years ago

  • Status changed from assigned to new

comment:18 in reply to: ↑ 16 Otto427 years ago

Replying to johnbillion:

I have no preference on this subject but I think "Links" is by far the most universally understood description for, well, links. They are hyperlinks after all.

That's the problem here. They're not just hyperlinks. They have several attributes associated with them. They have XFN. They can have images associated with them. They have the ability to associate RSS feed URLs with them. Wordpress has code in it to determine the last time these "links" were updated and to then store that information for display and sorting purposes.

Bookmarks are more than links.

Otto42, if someone was to instead ask you how they add a link to their blog, you'd have to tell them to click on "Bookmarks" because that's what they're called in WordPress. If, however, someone is used to calling links "Bookmarks" then they'll know what tab they have to click on anyway.

No, if somebody asked me how to add a link to their blog, I'd tell them to enter the a href tag into a post like they'd enter a link anywhere else.

A link is just a link. You can make links anywhere.
Bookmarks are more than just lists of links.

comment:19 brianlayman7 years ago

Adding in del.icio.us's social bookmarking being so familiar, Otto, you just might have convinced me. I was always very far into the "Links" camp. I didn't like bookmarks because many softwar packages use that for internal stuff, like bookmarking a post/page you want to return to. So I liked Links better. But thinking of social bookmarking, I am now moving to the bookmarks camp.

I do wonder if the menu title be "Bookmarking" work any better?

comment:20 cpoteet7 years ago

I'm going to have to go with "Links," because for those using it as a CMS that aren't tech saavy then "Links" is much more familiar.

comment:21 matt7 years ago

  • Owner changed from rob1n to matt
  • Status changed from new to assigned

There is a broader effort underway to re-organize the entire menu structure and wording for 2.3. Rather than one-off changes, let's make a more comprehensive move later this month. So this is WILLFIX, but later, and under another ticket.

comment:22 cpoteet7 years ago

No menu structure was changed in 2.3 BTW. This needs to be done.

comment:23 ryan6 years ago

  • Resolution set to fixed
  • Status changed from assigned to closed

The new admin design uses Links.

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