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Opened 8 years ago

Closed 8 years ago

#37159 closed enhancement (fixed)

Manage Widgets and Menus "with Live Preview"

Reported by: celloexpressions's profile celloexpressions Owned by: rachelbaker's profile rachelbaker
Milestone: 4.6 Priority: normal
Severity: trivial Version: 4.3
Component: Text Changes Keywords: good-first-bug ux-feedback has-patch commit
Focuses: ui Cc:


The old widgets and menus screens in the admin feature "Manage in Customizer" links to encourage users to try the more updated versions of the features with live preview in the customizer. Unfortunately, this wording doesn't provide much of a description of what advantages these interfaces have, especially for users who don't know about or fully understand the scope of the customizer.

If these links were changed to read "Manage with Live Preview", they would do a better job encouraging users to try the customizer versions of widgets and menus, by explicitly mentioning the live preview aspect that is the biggest differentiator between the different interfaces.

This is a great first ticket for a new contributor to create a patch for, although I can make a patch for 4.6 if no one is able to get to it at WCEU contributor day.

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37159.before.png (10.5 KB) - added by celloexpressions 8 years ago.
patch-for-37159.diff (782 bytes) - added by patilswapnilv 8 years ago.
patch for ticket #37159
Screen Shot 2016-06-26 at 5.12.29 AM.png (28.8 KB) - added by noahsilverstein 8 years ago.
Menu screenshot before patch
Screen Shot 2016-06-26 at 5.17.52 AM.png (29.3 KB) - added by noahsilverstein 8 years ago.
Menu screenshot after patch
Screen Shot 2016-06-26 at 5.18.04 AM.png (45.7 KB) - added by noahsilverstein 8 years ago.
Widgets screenshot after patch

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Change History (16)

#1 @DrewAPicture
8 years ago

  • Component changed from Customize to Text Changes
  • Keywords ux-feedback added

I like the idea behind improving this microcopy in some way, though I have some reservations about "with Live Preview". I think moving to "Manage with Live Preview" might actually introduce more confusion, not less.

Currently the only place where "Live Preview" is referenced is in the theme previewer. Live previewing something and managing something in a live preview aren't contextually the same, so we should be careful about conflating the two.

#2 @lukecavanagh
8 years ago

Since most users would still be creating menu's and adding widgets from

Appearance > Menus
Appearance > Widgets

Last edited 8 years ago by lukecavanagh (previous) (diff)

#3 @celloexpressions
8 years ago

"Customizer" as a noun is not generally used in core; instead, the verb form is preferred. The key is that widgets or menus can be managed with live preview, not in live preview. Therefore, "Manage with Live Preview" explains that this offers the ability to manage widgets/menus alongside a live preview as opposed to the admin pages that have management but no preview. For users who don't know what the "Customizer" is or don't make the connection with the "customize" terminology used elsewhere in core, the current text is essentially meaningless.

In core, "Live Preview" is used for themes (in the admin and the customizer), and "preview" is used in the customizer help text. Outside of core text, we've been using "live preview" since widgets were first introduced in the customizer, with the "live" aspect differentiating between static previews such as the ability to preview posts. Live previewing a theme and managing/live previewing menus/widgets are different contexts, but I don't see there being confusion there as the live preview terminology becomes used more extensively in core.

@lukecavanagh the links in question are on those pages, in the admin.

8 years ago

patch for ticket #37159

#4 @patilswapnilv
8 years ago

  • Keywords has-patch reporter-feedback added; needs-patch removed

Hey @celloexpressions,

I uploaded a patch for this.

Actually, this has happened to me earlier. I saw someone getting confused with "Manage in Customizer".

Thanks for pointing this out.

Also, This is my first patch to the core, so let me know if I may have done something wrong.

#5 @adamsilverstein
8 years ago

  • Keywords needs-screenshots added; reporter-feedback removed

@patilswapnilv This looks good, some screenshots before/after would be helpful to visually document the change.

8 years ago

Menu screenshot before patch

8 years ago

Menu screenshot after patch

8 years ago

Widgets screenshot after patch

#6 @noahsilverstein
8 years ago

  • Keywords needs-screenshots removed

Added Screenshots before and after applying the patch.

Last edited 8 years ago by noahsilverstein (previous) (diff)

#7 @adamsilverstein
8 years ago

  • Keywords dev-feedback added
  • Owner set to adamsilverstein
  • Status changed from new to assigned

@noahsilverstein Thanks! looks good to me :)

#8 @patilswapnilv
8 years ago

@noahsilverstein Thanks for the screenshots.

This ticket was mentioned in Slack in #core by ocean90. View the logs.

8 years ago

#10 @ocean90
8 years ago

  • Keywords commit added; dev-feedback removed
  • Owner changed from adamsilverstein to rachelbaker

#11 @rachelbaker
8 years ago

  • Resolution set to fixed
  • Status changed from assigned to closed

In 37904:

Customize: Text change on Widgets and Menus screens for buttons directing users to the Customizer.

"Manage in Customizer" -> "Manage with Live Preview".

Props patilswapnilv and noahsilverstein.
Fixes #37159.

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